Most of the things that I've done have taken me quite a long time to realize any sense of real visibility in doing them.

That's just always been the arc of my life and anything that I was doing.

I didn't really get any traction with my career for about the first decade.

You know, I now look back and call that first decade experiments in rejection and failure.

I'm Jocelyn K. Gly, and this is Hurry Slowly, a podcast about pacing yourself, where I explore

how you can find more creativity and meaning in your

daily work through the simple act of slowing down. Today, I have the pleasure of welcoming

a good friend and an incredibly talented human to the show, designer Debbie Millman.

I don't have time to list all of Debbie's myriad accomplishments

here, so I'll limit myself to the highlight reel. Debbie is the creator and host of design

matters, which investigates how remarkable people build a creative life, and is also one of the

longest running podcasts in existence.

She is the co-founder of the world's first graduate program in branding at the School of

Visual Arts, the former president of Sterling Brands for 20 years, the author of six books,

and the chairman of the board for the Joyful Heart Foundation,

which does healing, education, and advocacy work to support survivors of sexual assault

and domestic violence. Because Debbie herself has such a broad range of experience,

this conversation is a little more wide-ranging than some others

on Hurry Slowly.

But there is a common thread, as we consider how success and achievement unfold over time.

We talk about how long it takes to achieve anything worthwhile.

Why it's so easy to metabolize and synthesize our accomplishments rather than recognizing them?

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