From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to Stay Tuned.

I'm Pete Barara.

Another reason I wrote the book is to push the case for strong arguments, strong debates,

and strong interviews. I talk a lot about that. What could the media be doing better?

Because I genuinely believe unless you have tougher, more challenging conversations,

we're not going to be able to save democracy, we're not going to be able to save our media,

we're not going to be able to save our public spaces.

That's Mette Hassan. He's a political journalist and host of the Mette Hassan show on MSNBC.

He has a reputation for being a tough but fair interviewer, often debating with guests

across the political spectrum. Now he's out with a new book, Win Every Argument,

the art of debating, persuading, and public speaking.

I spoke with Hassan at a live event at the Strand Bookstore in New York City on February 28,

where we discussed his strategy for winning arguments, the art and science of debate,

and what in the world is a gish gallop? That's coming up. Stay tuned.

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