Welcome to this episode of intellectual conservatism.

Today I'm here with Trent Horn and Jay Dyer, and we are discussing the resolution,

Christians should reject natural theology.

Jay Dyer is arguing in the affirmative and Trent Horn in the negative.

And obviously, you know, if you've been paying attention to YouTube at all, you're familiar with both of these gentlemen.

I don't think I have to give a strong introduction to either of them because they have a reputation as defending the Christian faith,

especially they've gone around debating various atheists and other people online, spreading,

of course, the truth of Christianity. And so rather than giving just a long introduction to both

of them, I think I'll just go into the format for this evening's discussion. So we're going to start

off with 15-minute opening statements, followed by seven-minute rebuttals, four- seven minute rebuttals, four minute second

rebuttals, eight minute cross-examination periods, 30 minute Q&A from you, the viewers, and then we'll

close with five-minute closing statements. So I think Jay is going first, and so I'll get

all that set up and ready to go.

And when your time runs out, I'm just going to kind of holler in the background.

But really my goal in this discussion tonight is just to be in the background and to kind of not exist.

And so, Jay, are you ready?

Yeah, one thing I would like to say is just from the outset, thanks to Trent for doing

this. And as I was telling Trent beforehand, I've watched several of his debates, at least three

of them. And I think he's a really skilled debater. And the other thing that I appreciate about

Trent is that he, I think he's a sincere person. And a lot of times in this domain, people probably

aren't that sincere, at least not as

often as we would hope, but I think that Trent is a sincere guy. So I'm looking forward to a

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