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Dr. Brian Wagner just a message me back and forth about the debate right before I was about to go on and I said, well, why don't you just come on with me?

And he said, okay, so here he is.

Dr. Wagner, thanks for a joy.

Brian, sorry, I always call you Dr. Wagner out of respect.

My mom raised me.

I'm not the one to judge you, but my mama raised me right.

But, and I don't want to call you Mr. Wagner for sure.

So, you know, they're going to do that.

But Brian.

If you're going to put doctor in there, it's got to be most holy reverend doctor.

I got you.

Well, we're going to do a little bit debate review and Brian has not watched the whole debate.

He did watch some of the beginning and some of the end of it, but I said, hey, it doesn't matter.

You can watch it for the first time with us and give your commentary as well.

And we're also going to be really watching the side chat.

Thanks, Kate.

I use the cups she's referring to here, my little cups, my illustration cups.

I was a youth pastor, remember, for quite a few years and did youth evangelism after that for another decade of my life.

And so visual, and I'm a visual learner. I'm one of those people that likes visuals, and I like to write stuff out and look at it and so I was I was mocked

quite a bit for using clay I think I was a great Roman nine debate and and I thought you know

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