Hey, before we get going, I just want to let you know that suicide comes up in this conversation you are about to hear.

If you're struggling, please ask for help.

People get too, like, sad about it. They get too like, oh, no, you suffer from depression.

Oh, Trevor.

Oh, let me hold you. We think we're, it's... Oh, let me hold you.

We think we're being empathetic.

Oh, let me hold you.

Oh, child.

We're giving and we're being empathetic.

Yeah, but what we do is we create a stigma without realizing it because we feel pity for people.

This is death, sex, and money.

There sure are a lot of bare naked ladies in here.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

Got, uh, you got my money?

And need to talk about more.

I haven't done that dance since my wife died.

I'm Tressie McMillan Cottom, in for Anna Sale.

And I want to tell you a story about the very first time that I met Trevor Noah. I'm a sociologist,

a professor, and a writer. And a few years ago, I went on the Daily Show to talk about one of my new

books. And I go home, and of course, everybody, you know, is amped.

And it's like, oh, my God, how is it? Everybody wants to know how you smell. I get that question a lot, actually.

Oh, I smell? Yeah, no, serious. How good does he smell good? Does Trevor smell nice?

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