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Death, Sex & Money | “The Lord Is My Shepherd and He Knows I'm Gay”

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🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

When the Metropolitan Community Church was founded in the late sixties, it was one of the first gay positive churches in America. When AIDS hit, it became a refuge for people who were sick and those who were mourning them.  In this episode, Anna talks to researcher Lynne Gerber, about finding boxes of cassettes under the church floor in an MCC church in San Francisco, and how those recordings of sermons and songs became a podcast about finding community and comfort during a crisis.  Lynne Gerber is the host of the 10-episode series When We All Get to Heaven. Death, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus. And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This week, during this season of gratitude and gathering, we have some stories of people finding

0:06.8

support and community with each other. I'm honored to get to share with you this week.

0:12.5

Stories about a Christian church in San Francisco that serves the LGBTQ community. It started

0:18.8

in the early 1970s, and when the AIDS crisis hit, people knew how to church

0:25.6

together and how to support one another as members got sick and died. And you'll hear the people, the voices, the singing from that church during that time. It's from a new podcast

0:40.4

series called When We All Get to Heaven, and I'm thrilled to get to share it with you.

0:45.7

But before we dive into those stories of people supporting one another, I want to remind you

0:51.4

that right now at the show, we also are collecting your stories of the emotional relationships you've been building with AI chatbots.

1:00.1

Your stories have been trickling in, and some of you've told us you've suddenly found chatbots there for you in a way that's been comforting.

1:08.0

I have OCD, and I'm also a new mom and I've been using chat GBT frequently

1:13.9

for reassurance and also to check if my concerns are valid or if it's just my OCD and it's been a

1:21.6

helpful tool in a way that a therapist just can't be. A lot of my fears are embarrassing and I know that I would downplay

1:29.2

what I'm feeling to a live person. I do have moral and ethical concerns about AI though,

1:36.4

so I feel like a hypocrite using it and I don't really tell my friends or my partner that I use it.

1:45.0

And we've also heard that you see how AI's tendency to soothe you can go a little too far.

1:52.2

I've seen it with my brother who's using Chachip-T to help look for plot holes in his novel as he writes.

1:59.9

But really more than anything else,

2:01.2

I think ChatGPT has provided him encouragement

2:03.9

and has even compared his writing to that of Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien.

2:09.7

We are entering a new frontier with AI together quickly.

2:14.3

So let's share stories of what you're noticing in your lives. When AI becomes involved

2:19.6

in the most personal parts of them, please send us your AI stories and how you are letting it

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