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Death, Sex & Money

Death, Sex & Money - Mahershala Ali & Rafael Casal: Envy Is A Hell Of A Drug

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Audio

Careers, Sexuality, Business, Health & Fitness, Relationships, Society & Culture

4.67.7K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2019

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

The Oscar-winning actor interviews the co-creator of one of his favorite movies of 2018, Blindspotting, about his childhood as a "knucklehead" in the Bay Area, finding a creative partner, and avoiding jealousy.

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0:00.0

I think for so long I was just so happy that I didn't end up in prison, which I don't think I was aware then was so close.

0:09.2

You know, now I'm like, oh man, there was like a few moments where I remember just kind of sitting there going like, the shit that's in this room right now is 20 to life.

0:16.9

I need to get out of here.

0:20.9

This is death, sex, and money.

0:24.0

Taxis cost money, food costs money, and rent costs money.

0:27.6

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

0:30.8

Biss?

0:31.4

Now, I ain't no killing. You understand me?

0:33.6

I need to talk about more.

0:35.1

You're the only man that ever touched me.

0:37.5

I'm a Herschelah Ali and for Anasat.

0:40.7

And last year, I saw a movie that I loved.

0:43.5

I loved it so much, I watched it, like, three times, and it's called Blindspotting.

0:49.1

It's set in Oakland, California.

0:51.5

I'm originally from the Bay Area, and I think blind spotting captures the

0:56.0

Bay Area so well. The film is all about the messy intersection of race and class and rapid

1:03.6

gentrification that's happening there right now. What the fuck is this green juice shit doing up in here?

1:09.0

It's good for you. How much? $10. What? What is this the blood of fucking Jesus the fuck is this green juice shit doing up in here? It's good for you. How much? Ten dollars.

1:11.6

What? What is it? The blood of fucking Jesus. The fuck is in it that it costs ten dollars. Let me get one. I'm sorry, what? These are the two best friends at the center of this movie. Colin is the one who just bought the juice. juice. He's a young black guy who recently got out of prison

1:29.3

and absolutely doesn't want to go back. Miles is the one with the attitude. He's white,

1:35.5

likes to wear a gold grill and is always, always stirring up trouble. The friendship is complicated.

1:42.7

And I think it represents something I haven't really seen before on screen.

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