Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and the Trump presidency for the new Spectator USA website.

I'm joined today by Elizabeth Harrington, who is a senior writer at the Washington Free Beacon,

and we're going to be asking, Dear Ivanka, what is your game? Liz, I'd like to talk to you

about Ivanka Trump, because at the moment there seems to be a social media campaign called

Dear Ivanka, where various celebrities write to her and sort of demand that she stops her father's abhorrent policies.

And it seems to be she's become a sort of, I mean, she's always, I think, presented herself as the

acceptable face of Trumpism, but she's become somebody that people beat up and simultaneously

revere as the voice of reason

within the Trump orbit. Is that a fair summary? Do you think that's the role that she's

playing in Trump world? Well, yeah, I think she's a person who prior to her dad becoming political wasn't at all political.

And I think it's fair to say that she, for any political aspects that she had, was fairly

liberal.

Clearly she married Jared Kushner, who's from a very liberal family.

And I think she wasn't all that political until obviously her dad got, ran for president and then

became president.

So I suppose, I mean, her whole social set would now be very anti-Trump.

So she was put in a socially difficult position for her personally.

Right.

And I think she's kind of handling it in a way.

Now that she's gotten into politics, she actually sounds more and more conservative all the time.

But she doesn't have that.

She still has this essence about her that she's nonpartisan,

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