Dean Spade: Radical love and solidarity in the face of growing repression
Green Dreamer: Seeding change towards collective healing, sustainability, regeneration
Kaméa Chayne
4.8 • 694 Ratings
🗓️ 8 January 2026
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
What does it mean to bypass formalized structures of change-making and to engage in mutual aid? How does the philanthropy-nonprofit-industrial complex itself discourage systemic change? And how do we balance participation in immediate care response with the less visible, longer term, more mycelial work of rewiring community power?
In this episode, Green Dreamer’s kaméa chayne speaks with Dean Spade of Mutual Aid and Love in a Fucked Up World: How to Build Relationships, Hook Up and Raise Hell Together.
Join us as we explore what it means to honor difference and expertise in activism without replicating oppressive hierarchy, reflect on lateral conflicts within the messy terrains of movement building, and more.
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Song features: “Earth Dog” and “Peaches” by Isla Greenwood (@islagreenwood on Instagram)
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| 0:00.0 | Hey there, it's your host, Kamea. As we weave into this new year, I wanted to share that we're at a point where sustaining and growing this work with continued integrity requires more from the community that holds it. So if Green Dreamer has nurtured you, helped you to feel less alone, or offered you something that you couldn't find in mainstream spaces, I invite you |
| 0:22.6 | into deeper reciprocity through chipping in whatever amount you're able to at greendreamer.com |
| 0:28.9 | slash support. Also, if you need a planner for the new year and have a U.S. shipping address, |
| 0:35.4 | come check out our fundraising green dreamer planners at greendreamer.com slash shop.S. shipping address, come check out our fundraising Green Dreamer planners at |
| 0:38.8 | greendreamer.com slash shop. And finally, if you have access to larger resources and funding, |
| 0:45.8 | and you're open to exploring alignment for a partnership, I'd love to connect further. |
| 0:50.2 | You can email me directly at Kamea at greendreamer.com. Everything really adds up. That is the |
| 0:57.1 | power in the collective, and we're so grateful to have you here. We should all immediately work on |
| 1:07.8 | transforming the conditions based in our communities. We can get up and do it now. |
| 1:11.7 | We don't need to be a specialist. We don't need to have a degree. We don't need to hope that an |
| 1:16.5 | elected official or nonprofit will take action. We can actually just take action. And we should and |
| 1:21.1 | we have to. |
| 1:21.7 | We have to. You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamea Shane. |
| 1:38.2 | In this episode, we're honored to welcome Dean Spade as we talk about nurturing radical love and solidarity in the face of |
| 1:46.9 | repression. Dean has been working in movements for queer and trans liberation, anti-militarism, |
| 1:54.3 | and police and prison abolition for the past 25 years. And he's also the author of normal life, |
| 2:02.9 | mutual aid, and his latest, |
| 2:08.8 | Love in a F-D-Up World, How to Build Relationships, Hook Up, and Raise Hell Together. |
| 2:15.5 | These are incredibly challenging times. There's so much to metabolize. It can feel really overwhelming, but please know that you're not alone, and I hope this conversation can bring you some grounding and inspiration. |
| 2:24.3 | And with that, I want to invite you to take a few deep breaths here, if that feels supportive to you right now, to release anything you'd like to release for the time being, trusting that you |
| 2:36.8 | are right where you need to be, and feel welcome to take your time, honoring the needs of your |
| 2:45.4 | body and breath in this moment. But when you're ready, well, I hope you enjoy this listen. |
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