You know you don't have to run a hundred miles and I think part of us needs that. I think that comfort is overrated, that we're so comfortable, we're miserable, and we seek struggle because struggle makes us feel alive.

And, you know, it's funny, the Ultramarathon man still continues to sell pretty well and a lot of

messages I get are from younger kids that have kind of said God I want to try one of

these and I think they're just, they're pushing back

against their lives that are so contained and so safe

and so, there's so much screen time,

they want to get away from it.

And they're drawn to something difficult.

And so I still think there's that human urge to really get wild, if you will.

Okay, welcome or welcome back to the Bill Yang Podcast, a space where I chat with some of the best

minds and athletes in the endurance space and beyond.

I hope you've all been well my friends hope you're

starting to plot, plan and get some good mileage in and basically living your

best lives these days. Today I have a very special guest

that you could say was responsible for starting it all for me.

The Incarnasses, Ultra marathon man himself

joins me today in a conversation that really has been a long time coming.

But before we get to him, I want to take a few brief moments to introduce you to

Matthew Crocker. Who's Matthew? Well I met Matthew through a project

I did with Strava back in 2019 around the New York City Marathon. We hand-picked three first-time Marathoners from across the country with

incredible stories and highlighted their journey to the Star Line.

Oliver was documented in a film called Becoming a Marathoner, which you can find on

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