This is Undaunted Life a Man's podcast. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it. Hi guys, today we got a special guest on the podcast. His name is Dean and Sarah. So he is the founding and lead pastor of City Church in town.

Kyle has a Florida Dean graduated from Liberty University and intended Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He also holds an MA in theological studies from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and is pursuing a demon in from Southern Seminary. So he's also an advisor member of the ethics and religious Liberty Commission's Leadership Council with the Southern Baptist Convention. So the reason why he's on the podcast today is because he wrote a book that came out earlier this year called Pure and the subtitle of the book is Why the Bibles Plan for Sexuality isn't outdated irrelevant.

So just right there from the title is like, okay, I got to make sure I talk to this guy. It's a short book. It's a short read, but we really dig into a lot of topics here. So we dig into the purity culture because you've heard a lot of people talk about rejecting the purity culture and actually push back on them because that's the whole point of the book is really rejection of what purity culture has done. That's where he starts the book, but I didn't really get his point of view. And so I asked him about that. So we got to, you know, go back and forth a little bit on that. But then we talked about how the pencil and this kind of swung from, okay, purity culture to the church is saying, yeah, do whatever you want sexually.

It doesn't matter. God doesn't care. Certainly that kind of thing and kind of what all that looks like. But then we dig into a bunch of lies that we've learned from culture like, you know, marriage is a capstone, not a cornerstone. Being gay is okay. It's just, you know, another thing, right, that your bedroom is your business. That no one else should be able to tell you what to do in your bedroom, you know, cohabitation. It just makes sense. And even a lot of Christians have bought into these lies, hookline and sinker. And then we ended by talking about man-friendly churches. So I got to ask him a bunch of questions about how he operates and how he makes sure that his church down there in Florida

is man-friendly. I really enjoyed my time with him. So without further ado, let's get into it. Dean and Sarah, welcome to Undaunted Life A Man's Podcast. Hey, it's good to see you. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I'm glad to have you on. We had a nice little chat afterwards. I was like, okay, we need to go and hit the record button so that we can get a lot of this stuff down on the record. But we do need to start as generically as possible just to give guys a little bit of an extra dose of who you are because I said who you were in the intro, but just from your own words. I guess the easiest way is give us the spark notes version of when you became a Christian. And then I guess why did you

decide to become a professional Christian, you know, going into full-time ministry? Well, when I was 13 years old, I went to a fellowship of Christian athletes, FCA camp. And I heard the good news about Jesus, the gospel for the first time. I was raised in church when I church every Sunday. Unless we were sicker out of town, I said a prayer before dinner every night, my family. But I never had anyone actually tell me that I was a sinner. I needed to be saved. I was raised very kind of mainline, kind of non-gospel preaching church, told him to be a good person, you know, obey your parents, be

loving those type of things. Never was actually told my need for Christ. Outside of presenting him as a buddy or a good luck charm, kind of idea. They didn't use that language. That's kind of what was applied. So at that retreat, I had a preacher who was actually the chaplain for University of Florida football team. And he just straight up just gave it out and said, here it is. You need Jesus. And here's why. And here's who he is. Here's what he's done for you. And I truly sit in there 13 years old. I'm going, that's me. Like I need that. Like I'm a sinner. I've actually been forgiven.

I've been in my sins. Never been saved before. And it was like an old fashioned alter call. I never see one of those before. Didn't know what was going on. Thought it was kind of weird. But I went forward and one of the coaches is up there. And he saw me and said, Hey, man, what's up? And I said, when he was just talking about, that's me. So I sat against the wall of this old gym. And it's like an old high school basketball gym where the retreat was. And he explained he wouldn't meant to trust in Christ to be a Christian. And it was about by a 20 minute conversation. Answer my questions. And I gave my life to Christ that day. And I joke that I'm the only person to ever

become a Christian and get mad about it. And I don't get me wrong. I had joy. But I'm seriously thinking in my head, haven't been in church my entire life. And no one's ever told me this before. So I was a little fired up about that. But then from there, how I, the ministry, a whole factor of going to full-time ministry was I realized from a very young age by a year later, that what happened to me, that's the story of my friends where I live, where a lot of folks claim their Christians. And by that, they mean there's not atheists. And they're not Jewish Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu. So therefore, they're Christians.

It's more based on what they're not than what they are. It's almost like just another label on the labels of life. And you know, come like I'm a guy, I'm a dad, I'm an American, I'm a firefighter, a Christian. Rather than know, this is like, this is the identity of joy I am as a Christian. It's first and forth. I had no concept of that. So I wanted to start a church of my hometown and reach my friends. And we started, we started a church 15 years ago and have seen incredible things happen since then in the capital city of Florida where I live. Well, that's amazing. I do want to get into this.

And I do want to definitely get into the book today, but you obviously brought something up there right from the beginning that I think is very, very important. It is astonishing because I grew up in Oklahoma. So that's the belt buckle, the Bible belt. So it's kind of the same thing. If you believe in God, you are a Christian, like, you know, you're a lot of people talk about God, but they don't really talk about Jesus very much. They don't really talk about the gospel. So this is too big of a question to ask to just get a small kind of short answer so that we can keep the momentum going. But why does that happen so much? Culturally, why does cultural Christianity spend so much time, you know,

focusing on the do's and don't of what a moral life is as opposed to, you know, understanding how to crave they are and understanding how sinful they are and how they are literally Irredeemable without the blood of Christ. I know that's not a message. It gets a lot of people super fired up because it's like, it seems really judgmental and really scary and really all those things. But gosh, if that's the real message, why would Christians try to soften it? Yeah, especially when without that message, we missed entirely who Jesus is. Right. I think I think it's great.

In Galatians chapter two, that if righteousness comes by keeping the law, 221, then Jesus died for nothing. Like it's actually saying that if we can get to God in our own, if it's all about just our effort and our achievements and our drive, then Jesus, the cross was pointless. We can go even more than that, but Christmas day is pointless. Like it means it nothing. There's nothing to celebrate if we can do all this on our own. So I think where we get trapped in that is we have just created this sort of gospel message that really does

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Yeah, I think there's a whole lot more there towards the end. I want to kind of get into a little bit more of how the church is the secret sensitive style that brings a lot of people in and definitely entertains them and helps them be better at life, but doesn't necessarily lead them to eternal life. I guess would be the way to say it. But one of the main reasons why I wanted to have you on today is because of a book that you wrote that was released actually in May of this year and it's this book here.

It's why the Bible's plan for sexuality isn't outdated irrelevant or oppressive. And I didn't put enough emphasis on that. It's why the Bible's plan for sexuality isn't as an is not outdated irrelevant or oppressive. So just by the subtitle of the book, I was like, okay, I got to talk to this guy because obviously we're taking a lot of our cues from from culture now, but we're going to dig into a lot of this book. But just go ahead. I love to hear it from the author's mouth 30,000 foot view. What is this book about and what do you want readers to get out of it after they're done with it?

Yeah, well, there was something back in the 90s when I was growing up. I was in high school in the 90s. It was kind of my early forming years as a Christian that people now call purity culture.

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