When something sets me off, like a drinking dream or bad night's sleep, I try and see it for what it is.

So rather than trying to fight it and think, oh God, oh God, this is awful. I feel terrible.

It's reminded me of when I used to drink. And then that reminds me of when I made a complete fool of myself. I try and be kinder to

myself and think, look, I endured a lot of trauma. I think of that black smudge over the timeline

of my life and how big it is and how much of my life it took over and how hard it was and how amazing I was to overcome it.

So I try and turn it around and think it's okay to feel a bit traumatized right now.

I know why it is.

It's because such and such has triggered me, but I'm in a different place now.

So that's a little bit like I've put for my next point,

which is kind of the same thing, which is, you know, talk through the reality of this situation.

So I am, you know, I feel this way because that has triggered me from something from my past,

but I'm not living in my past. I'm a different person now. And, you know, if you need to make

lifestyle changes, do that, you know, do things you have to do. Go camping. You know, don't go camping too far from home so you can go home and get good night's sleep. Make those changes to avoid those triggers if you know they're going to happen. As I said earlier, one of my biggest ones is feeling overwhelmed and then suddenly feeling oh god i feel like i like I, you know, I used to when I had a hangover happens a lot to me. So I, I then drop something in my life. I go through all the different elements of my life. I think, okay, you know, because I do charity work, I've dropped one of those shifts recently because I was feeling overwhelmed and starting to feel really bad and horrible again. Yeah, so you're sort of managing your life in a better way to avoid these triggers. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, that's just a small thing, dropping a shift at a charity job. But, you know, if you didn't need to do bigger things, do them? I mean, some people probably have to move houses. They have to ditch their husbands and things like that. Yeah, massive things. That's quite a good idea.

Oh, you can't possibly.

Freedom.

Imagine me, walking into the sunset.

Who would look after the kids when you'd go home for that sleep in your

comfy bed if you've ditched your husband?

I'd be off.

I'll be in another country by then. See ya. Yeah, bye. Bad luck. Can I just tell you from someone who's been there does not work like that? Sorry. You have to accept that getting sober is a whole new way of life. And I've kind of, Vic and I have both put very similar ones down,

haven't we, I'm saying this. So embrace new people and embrace new places. Like we were

just saying that don't have the horrible reminders. But yeah, except that it's a new way of life

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