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Beyond Today

Deadliest Day 4: Remedial banter

Beyond Today

BBC

News

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

“I don’t think I could honestly say I’ve spoken to anyone about all the stuff that’s happened.” Claire is invited to the pub with three of the guys who were there on 10 July, 2009. They say talking to people who went through it helps them, but it turns out that looks very different to how you might expect. If you’re affected by the issues raised in this episode, help is out there. If you’re a veteran or you know a veteran, the starting point for help is the Ministry of Defence’s Veteran’s Gateway and these charities: Combat Stress Help for Heroes Samaritans Producer: Heidi Pett Sound designer: Weidong Lin Original music: Matthew James Kelly Executive producer: Matthew Price Editor: John Shields

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0:00.0

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0:06.0

I'm Claire Reed and this is episode 4 of Beyond Today's special series Deadliest Day. I keep thinking of something Peter Sherlock's mum Rhonda said to me. It just pops

0:20.9

into my head from time to time, especially whenever we're heading to and from interviews, because it really touched me.

0:27.0

She asked how my producer Heidi and I were doing, hearing all these stories of violence and emotional trauma and loss.

0:33.6

At the time I laughed awkwardly and said,

0:37.2

oh, you know, it's our job.

0:38.6

But it was kind of her to think of us,

0:41.8

even when she still feels her own pain from almost losing her son

0:45.2

and putting him back together when he came back from Afghanistan.

0:49.1

And it's taught me something about how she's dealt with trauma,

0:52.0

and how Heidi and I have dealt with secondary trauma.

0:54.4

We talk about it, we ask about it.

0:57.2

We ask after each other.

0:59.8

The guys from 9 platoon have been telling us they talk about it too, or rather that they banter about it.

1:06.0

So how does that work?

1:08.0

Well, we're taking you for a drink now with Peter Sherlock in a pub in Salisbury near where he lives.

1:14.0

Matthew Rounding is with us too in his bike leathers, and another former rifleman called Paul

1:18.5

Jacobs, who was in a different platoon, but also at Bob Wishton in 2009. As you'd expect they don't hold

1:26.3

back with the swearing. So I've got Sherlock's name on my bum.

1:31.5

Do you?

1:32.3

I've got Winston Churchill on my right calf. I've got a pair of eyes

1:37.3

tattered on my ass. I've got a soldier in Afghan on my back, full picture. I've got

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