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We are joined right now in studio by DeMora Smith, former executive director of the NFLPA.

His new book is out.

Turf Wars, the fight for the soul of America's game. If you're a football fan, go get it. If you're an NFL guy and you want the inside skinny, you're going to dig it. You're going to like it. Are you okay if I get this book Sandy? Because I will take this to the beach with me tomorrow. 100%. So this is a good beach reading right here. For another $15, it comes with a waterproof cover. Excellent. I might need that.

You never know. So let's go to it. I mean, Dee has so many, like, fascinating details. See, Dee's job, listen, when you're the NFLPA president or whatever, big time job, high profile, you got to serve a lot of people. You've got to make sure your superstars are happy, but you've got your rank and file. Sure.

That really are the bulk of your guys. profile. You got to serve a lot of people. You got to make sure your superstars are happy,

but you got your rank and file that really are the bulk of your guys. You're going to make sure they're happy. That's like impossible. Keep your Aaron Rogers and your Tom Brady's

happy, but also keep the other 85% who are making close to league minimum.

Like two or three. Third stream defensive line, man. And then do that when you're going against 32 billionaires who kind of hold all the cards

because if they don't feel like they're just going to sit out and not pay you guys or not.

Like, what are you going to do?

Right.

You know what I mean?

Because they don't need the money as much as the players.

They have the financial wherewithal to do it.

As we would say true that.

Right. So that job, it's a thankless job. I mean, he got well compensated, although he did tell me he would have made more in a law firm over the time. 100%. Yeah. He's a man of the people. But you still made FU money. Oh, yeah. He's got F you money. You've got F you money. You're taking care of for the rest of your kids are taking care.

We do not have F-U money.

Just in case you're wondering. We can all go to rips. We can get crab cakes. It's true. Yeah. When we were growing up, we all have more money than we thought we would have growing up. Well, that is for sure. So go back to that lockout

What was it, 2011?

And the owners are a growing up. Well, that's for sure. Yeah. So, so go back to that lockout of, what was it, 2011?

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