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What ideas did you have, first of all?

Because I think you already had clear notions that a lot of science wasn't quite... Well, first of all, like you're saying, that the science

that you were like, was totally theoretical and it didn't have any usefulness, or a lot of it

didn't have anything practical to be able to do with it. But at what stage did you start

looking at it and realizing just how many problems there were?

Because I know within your book, you know, you've got the different phases of your tower

and how they, you know, they're all built on each other.

So, I mean, I suppose it's really two questions.

But to start with the, when you started

realizing the real problems with science and then how you put all these pieces together

to write your book and to go into more detail about those different layers if you're

happy to go into that.

So yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, the first major thing was the earth, the earth cosmology debate.

Shortly after I moved to Hawaii, you know, at this point, I was still researching alchemy.

I got into alchemy maybe around 2014 or so and I was just kind of early, you know, just

hearing about it and sort of thinking about it and looking at little bits about alchemy and stuff.

Shortly after I got to Hawaii, 2016, you know, someone had said to me about flat earth. And I was just like, you know, I was like, that's crazy or whatever. You know, you react to it. And everyone reacts to it in the same way, really. But guys, he was like, no, he's like, I saw someone came and gave a talk about it. He's like, it was pretty interesting. Like, it's like, I think you would, you would find it interesting. You should go and go and have a look. So, okay, so I'm going to look into this flat earth thing, which, you know, I talked about before. I mean, when I first heard about it, I thought, how on earth can there be people who believe the earth is flat, right?

I was trying to rationalize that.

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