Welcome to the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Hey there, folks.

I am talking about a very important subject today. My guest is Dawn Hawkins. Dawn is the CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. The leading organization, I'm going to read this because this is amazing. The leading organization exposing the connections between all forms of sexual exploitation,

including sex trafficking, prostitution, pornography, and child sexual abuse. Dawn Hawkins,

welcome to this program. Thank you. There's nothing more important than this. I can't think of

anything more important. Tell me, I mean, if somebody says to you, what did you,

how did you get into this? I mean, this is an amazing thing to take on. It's gigantic. It's a giant.

How did you get into this? Well, at first, I lived in Europe, and I saw the intersection of

prostitution, sex trafficking, pornography, sexual assault, all coming together there in Hungary.

And when I came back to the United States, I just thought nobody's really focused on these

issues, especially the role pornography plays in fueling those forms of abuse. So I got involved.

And once you know, you know, and you can't not fight for good. Oh, yes, you can. That's the problem. But some people like you can't, and I thank God for you and for others who do what you do.

This is gruesome stuff, and I think you have to really be a strong person to be in this world because it's just so dark.

But tell us what we don't know.

In other words, I think that there are a lot of people, obviously men, who think of pornography probably as a kind of doesn't harm anyone or something like that.

It seems to me that you're saying that's not true.

It's definitely not true.

There are numerous public health impacts

from pornography, impacts harming those who are depicted in pornography, as well as those using and

their families all around them. But you ask, what do people not know? I'd like to just shake

into everybody. The fact that they don't know is that our youth are being inundated

with sexually explicit material and images. And that's what we need to attack right now.

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