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Davos 2025: Changing their minds on Trump — Anthony Scaramucci and Niall Ferguson

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POLITICO

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🗓️ 22 January 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

President Trump’s first 24 hours in the White House have certainly been the talking point here in Davos, as business leaders and politicians digest what the new era means for them and the rest of the world. Continuing Power Play's daily coverage from the World Economic Forum in Davos, host Anne McElvoy talks to two figures who know how the President operates and who have changed their minds about him. Anthony Scaramucci was briefly the White House’s communications director in Donald Trump’s first administration before going on to campaign against him. Later, she talks to historian Niall Ferguson, senior fellow at Stanford and Harvard Universities and an authority on American and European political history. Previously a critic, he argues that Trump's second term ambitions should be taken seriously. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:32.7

Donald Trump's first 24 hours in the White House have certainly been the talking point here at Davos,

0:38.9

where business leaders and politicians mingle and digest what the new era means for them

0:44.1

and the rest of us.

0:50.7

Welcome to PowerPlay, Politico's weekly podcast, where we talk to some of the most compelling

0:56.6

voices on either side of the Atlantic. I'm Anne McElvoy, and if you haven't already, please

1:02.4

take a moment to follow this podcast so you don't miss an episode. My guests today on this edition

1:08.5

from Davos know the way that Donald Trump operates.

1:12.4

Anthony Scaramucci was briefly the White House's communications director in Trump's first administration,

1:19.3

before becoming one of his fiercest critics and he's since actively campaigned against him.

1:24.9

What does he make of Trump the return?

1:29.8

Later, I'll be talking to the historian, Sir Neil Ferguson, senior fellow at Stanford and Harvard Universities, and an authority

1:35.6

on American and European political history. He's changed his mind about Trump, but in the

1:41.4

opposite direction, so why does he reckon this president could be

1:45.3

good for the global order? But first, Anthony Scarii, welcome back to PowerPlay. You are in fact

1:51.1

a frequent offender on this show, aren't you? Yeah, well, I'm a frequent offender, generally offensive,

1:56.9

but I love being on your show and thank you so much for inviting me back.

2:02.7

Well, great pleasure to have you.

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