David Shimer on "Rigged"
The Lawfare Podcast
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4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 3 July 2020
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Jack Goldsmith spoke with David Shimer, the author of "Rigged: America, Russia and 100 Years of Covert Electoral Interference." They discussed United States and Soviet interference in elections during the Cold War, how and why the U.S. attitude toward foreign electoral interference changed after the Cold War, and whether and to what degree the Central Intelligence Agency still covertly intervenes in foreign elections today. They also discussed how the rise of the Internet asymmetrically empowers Russia and its long term efforts to disrupt domestic U.S. politics.
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| 0:29.0 | There are rare instances of altering votes, |
| 0:35.0 | like in eastern Europe and the immediate post-war period, |
| 0:39.0 | or the targeting of Ukrainian electoral systems in 2014, |
| 0:43.0 | but really this is a tradition of manipulating minds. |
| 0:45.0 | Russia did that throughout our country for months, |
| 0:49.0 | and through the threat of another type of interference |
| 0:51.0 | of disrupting the voting process through reports |
| 0:55.0 | that Michael Daniel, the cybersecurity coordinator in the White House, |
| 0:57.0 | told me he was getting daily reports in August of intrusions and penetrations |
| 1:01.0 | into our electoral infrastructure, |
| 1:03.0 | was coming in on a ceaseless basis that captivated and ultimately froze our government, |
| 1:07.0 | as Russia's influence campaign was raging. |
| 1:09.0 | So that to me is the most essential sort of lens through which to understand |
| 1:14.0 | what happened in our government in that time, |
| 1:16.0 | and then there were assumptions that also mattered there, |
| 1:18.0 | which is that their worst case scenario was that Russia would sabotage voter databases |
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