David Rohde on the Supposed "Deep State"
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🗓️ 14 July 2020
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
In a 2018 poll, 74 percent of Americans said they believed that some group of unelected government and military officials was definitely or probably secretly manipulating or directing national policy. What is the actual history of presidents and Congress clashing with national security and law enforcement institutions? And how has that led to Trump's notion of a deep state out to get him? David Priess spoke with two-time Pulitzer Prize winner David Rohde of The New Yorker, who has turned his attention to this tricky topic in the new book, "In Deep: The FBI, the CIA, and the Truth about America's 'Deep State.'" They talked about intelligence, law enforcement, inspectors general, public trust in government and of course, Bill Barr.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | It's a very effective tool and I think it's part of a pattern where President Trump and |
| 0:38.3 | his allies, they're very good at messaging. |
| 0:41.9 | So the term deep state to me is, it just sounds dangerous and haunting and inherently abusive. |
| 0:50.5 | You know, it's part of the Trumpian lexicon. |
| 0:53.7 | It's very similar to me to Trump is he's using the term to discredit officials who question |
| 1:02.5 | Trump's talking points on North Korea, let's say, or somehow undermine him. |
| 1:08.8 | And so he does this repeatedly with Robert Mueller investigations, he's labeled it a witch |
| 1:15.4 | hunt with the media he uses fake news. |
| 1:19.7 | So deep state to me, which started out with just the FBI and the CIA has now grown. |
| 1:26.3 | I'm David Prius and this is the LawFair podcast July 14, 2020. |
| 1:32.7 | In a 2018 poll, 74% of Americans said they believed that some group of unelected government |
| 1:39.4 | and military officials was definitely or probably secretly manipulating or directing national |
| 1:46.3 | policy. |
| 1:48.0 | That is the actual history of presidents in Congress clashing with national security |
| 1:52.7 | and law enforcement institutions and how has that led to Trump's notion of a deep state |
| 1:58.3 | out to get him. |
| 1:59.9 | I spoke in the virtual jungle studio with two time Pulitzer Prize winner David Road of |
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