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I'm Dorothy Wickenden. On today's Politics and More podcast, David Remnick talks to Ezekiel Emmanuel.

An oncologist and health policy expert, Emmanuel advised the Obama administration during the

creation of the Affordable Care Act. Since the day it passed, the Affordable Care Act,

Obamacare, has been the clearest and biggest target of

Republicans in Washington. The way Donald Trump was talking, Obamacare was going to be history

the Monday after inauguration. But as we've seen, a repeal or replacement of Obamacare is much,

much harder to do than to talk about.

An oncologist and health policy expert named Ezekiel Emanuel, everybody calls him Zeke,

was one of the architects of the ACA.

He helped the Obama administration figure out just how to expand health care without exactly blowing up the national budget.

And with the ACA on the chopping block, Emmanuel is

trying to influence what the Republicans can come up with to replace it. In this climate, it's almost

impossible to have a cool-headed conversation about health care. But Emmanuel insists we've got to try,

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