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Joining us is David Hughes, who's a senior lecturer in international relations at the University of Lincoln.

He's the author also of the

absolutely smashing book, COVID-19 psychological operations and the war for technocracy. You

should purchase it if you can, but it's open access and available for free. The link is in the

description. Welcome to the podcast, David. Thank you very much for having me on.

Your work, honestly, the book, I just finished it.

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