My guest today, David Hanemeyer Hansen, or as most people refer to him simply DHH, grew

up in Denmark at a time when the early home computer's head barely any memory, recording

a happened on a floppy disk or maybe even cassette.

Even if you wanted to play games, one of the easiest ways to make that happen was to literally

copy the code that was often printed in a monthly computer magazine into your computer

and then hit run.

He became fiercely immersed in the world of gaming, ended up building a number of online

review websites.

But at least in the early days, he had no interest in programming.

That came because he simply couldn't do what he wanted to do with the programs and

the websites that he wanted to create.

It's pretty fascinating because he's now known as the creator of Ruby on Rails, which

many of the largest websites and social platforms in the world run on.

He's the co-founder and CTO at legendary, almost kind of like anti-establishment tech company

called Basecamp, a best-selling author with really provocative and insightful thoughts

on the way we work and how it often wars with our ability to both flourish in life and

do our best work.

And along the way, he also became fascinated with endurance auto racing, began training

to drive and eventually won his category in the legendary 24 hours of Le Mans race.

And has also become a really accomplished photographer, amazing to see how he has become

so accomplished at a number of different things.

And we talk about that very specific thing and the myth of being able to do all of that

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