Hey everybody, it's Chris. We've got another great interview for you today. This is going to be super fascinating.

I'm really excited to talk to Dr. David Hanscombe. David Hanscombe, medical doctor, wrote this book.

Do you really need spine surgery? And Dr. Hanscom is the second medical doctor I've interviewed,

who was a spine surgeon that actually

tries to talk his patients out of spine surgery.

And I'm really, really fascinated to dig into this because I think, I mean, it's, this is kind of a personal, funny anecdote, but a lot of

people have seen this movie, Dr. Death, right? The, either they listen to the podcast or they

watched the series online. And that's about a doctor named Christopher Dunch, who was this sort of

horrific spine surgeon in Texas that is now in jail

because he was, he killed people and he was just that bad.

And they still don't know if it was intentional or just gross malpractice.

It's hard to tell, but the guy was was a bad dude we went to the same high school

yeah same high school he's he's i think four years older than me so uh yeah strange connection there

but anyway dr hanscom thanks for taking the time to do this thank you chris i'm excited to be here

and this is going to be a tricky topic for me,

because we, you know, I try to see the solution side, but unfortunately, the doctor's death story

is extreme, but probably 80% of spine surgery should not be done. And if you go through a procedure

that shouldn't be done, you're at risk.

And I finally quit my practice in 2019 to do what I'm doing full time. And it turns out we're doing spine surgery on anxiety. And it doesn't work. And it turns out most symptoms in the body

are based on the body's physiology. And let me define physiology for a second,

is it is how your body runs. In other words, you have a car, and we turn the car on, that's

quote the physiology of the car, right? The spark plugs, the timing, how it runs, etc. And the body

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