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The Bulwark Podcast

David Frum: Sociopaths and Political Tribalism

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Apart from the death and carnage on New Years Day in New Orleans, Americans revealed another darkness once again: an eagerness to pin violence on someone who doesn't share their political world view. Meanwhile, Republicans rushed to attack the FBI as a way to justify confirming Kash Patel. Plus, Trump has tossed populism aside as he preps to be openly oligarchical, and the real threats TV journalists face. 

David Frum joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

0:10.2

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

0:11.4

It is our first episode of 2025.

0:13.7

And so I'm delighted to be here with Favor of the Pod, staff writer at the Atlantic,

0:17.9

author of 10 books, most recently Trumpocalypse.

0:20.7

It's David

0:21.1

from. How you doing, David? All right. Thank you. Although I think we have to take,

0:24.8

since you're in New Orleans, a moment of horrified silence for this terrible incident. More

0:29.8

details are known, but just the carnage just looks horrifying. And what a terrible thing for your

0:35.2

city. It is horrible.

0:39.7

And it's a sad wadering in the new year.

0:43.8

I mean, we had 15 are dead here and many more injured. So TBD on a final count there.

0:47.5

The perpetrator was driving a truck with an ISIS flag and turned onto Bourbon

0:52.8

Street off of Canal.

0:55.0

They're usually bollards there to protect against us, but they were replacing them for the Super Bowl. So

0:59.1

unclear whether that was bad luck or timing on behalf of the perpetrator. Also, there's the

1:04.6

cyber truck attack in Vegas. There was a mass shooting in Queens last night, did a nightclub.

1:10.3

The CNN headline, I was just making sure I had my

1:13.6

facts right this morning looking through everything, was New Orleans attacked deadliest since

1:18.2

main mass shooting. Yeah. I don't even remember the main mass shooting, which I think tells you a

1:22.9

little something about American life. So I'm just wondering if you have any other top-line thoughts based

1:27.9

on what we know now. It's a violent society, more violent than peer nations. And there are

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