we're coming out of a period of time that we may look back on and say,

we had that historically good and spent every second of it waiting for some sort of doom.

And then when the doom did happen, we're the ones who did it.

We're the ones who did it. Welcome to the Good Faith podcast. I'm your host, Curtis Chang.

And the Good Faith podcast is where friends who follow Jesus help each other

make sense of the world. And my goodness, do we need help to make sense of a world that really

feels crazy. And this is why I'm so glad we have our founding friend, David French, coming back

here on the Good Faith podcast. David,

welcome back. Well, thanks so much for having me, Curtis. I always love coming back.

Well, David, so much has happened in the last couple of months, even in the last month that you and I

talked. And even in that last conversation, we had been talking about how Trump was transforming

much of American politics. But it feels like in the last month, that transformation has

extended globally, such that America's very role in the world is being radically transformed.

Can you describe what's happening?

Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to use some language here, Curtis, that might seem a little strong,

but you're going to see why I say it. Okay. So the way to understand Trump's foreign policy and his interaction with the world is to see him as a Vladimir Putin kind of figure.

Okay.

And so when I say that, what I mean, I mean it very intentionally in the sense that he sees America in many ways the same way that Putin sees Russia.

Okay.

So that America is entitled to dominate its neighbors,

that America is entitled to dictate policy to its neighbors, that America is entitled maybe

even to territorial expansion if it views it in its national self-interest.

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