Welcome to the Bull Work Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. Let me tell you about today's show.

This is my last Bull Work

podcast, but we're going to go out the way we came in. We're going to be joined by

David French from the New York Times, a longtime friend of the podcast, to talk

about the Supreme Court decision yesterday, but I wanted to

start off by kind of bookending the podcast because I remember a cold dark day in December 2018 when Bill Crystal and I sat down and did the

very first Bullwork Podcast. In fact, we did the Bo Work Podcast.

This is the way it sounded.

Good morning.

I'm Charlie Sykes and welcome to what is eventually going to be the

Bull Work Podcast, and we're going to be launching it after the holidays.

But Bill Kristin and I thought that, well, we have some things to talk about today.

So here's a special pre-Christmas edition.

You can sort of think of it as a sample.

So Bill, here we are.

Good to be here with you, Charlie, and I'm looking forward to when we pick up after the

new year doing this regularly.

Well, we figured it's the winter solstice. What else are we going to do? It's the you know darkest the darkest day of the year. How appropriate is that?

How appropriate is it that it's still kind of one of the darkest days of the year.

Bill, welcome back on the podcast. My first Bullwork podcast, my last Bullwork

podcast with you. you.

It's great to be with you and an honor to be both on the first and the last.

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