one of the things that is counterintuitive and one of the misconceptions that I see crop up

out there in academia intellectual circles. People think that there's a final theory that what

we're trying to achieve is a bucket full of theories that will be the truth at the end of some

period of discovery will be able to carry around the bucket and say, well, here are all the

truths we've got no more work to do. We're going to sit down and do nothing apparently except let

the AI take care of all the menial jobs. We're going to be laying back on sunchairs and drinking

cocktails or something like that. But you, as far as I can tell, are the only person today explaining

that this whole vision of the way in which knowledge is constructed and what our purpose is in

science and everywhere else is completely misconceived. It's not just that it's a little bit wrong.

It's infinitely wrong because there won't come a time when we're going to be laying on the sun

chairs drinking cocktails intellectually speaking. Can you say a little bit more about that because

it did come from popper who was talking about problems? Absolutely. Popper's philosophy is actually

very broad in a sense because it's so deep. Popper only had one idea and that is that it all

begins with problems and there's no royal road to solving them. And if you look at it the right

way that tells you to go to fallibleism and anti-authoritarianism and conjecture and criticism

and so on. Then he applied that to lots of different things and he wrote dozens of books,

people bought them and every philosopher has heard of him. But there I have to draw the line.

That's as much success as he had. Nobody actually got it. Even many of his supporters because people

tended to get part of it. Although when someone is very creative and successful in a particular area,

they tend to be the properee in that area and they usually insist that it's a special property

of that area. They have to be. If you're going to make progress the only possible way of doing it

is finding the problem and purported solutions and then criticizing those solutions. So you're

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