Hi, everyone. This is Curtis, and I am excited to tell you about a new feature of the GoodFaith podcast, and it's called Campfire Stories.

Now, in a great campfire, everyone has the opportunity to share their stories. And so, in Campfire Stories, we want to hear from you.

We want to hear a story about what you are doing along the themes of the GoodFaith podcast, perhaps it's something about how you're living out your relationships with political polarization, how you are trying to reflect the image of God in your institution and organization, or what you're doing with your money, or your vocation, anything that has been sparked by the themes that we've covered here in the GoodFaith podcast is fear game.

It doesn't matter if it's a big story, a small story, or something in between, as long as it's a story about what you are doing in your life.

We're not so much interested in hearing just thoughts. We want to hear stories of doing.

So, we'll put a link in the show notes where you can just click on it and then supply us the basic outlines of your story of doing, of living out the themes of GoodFaith podcast.

And we'll look at it and we may invite you to share that story on a GoodFaith blog, a social media, or perhaps even invite you to come on the GoodFaith show yourself and talk to me and share your story.

Like, how cool would that be? I'd love to hear from you. I'd love to talk with you. So, please consider joining the Campfire by actually joining actively and sharing your story with others gathered around the Campfire.

Thanks.

Welcome to the GoodFaith podcast. This is David French with Curtis Chang and we've got guests. We have.

We do. This is their first in-person podcast. It's an in-person podcast. We have distinguished guests with us. Curtis, do you want to introduce our guests?

I'll take the other one. One is David Brooks. You may have heard of him from such publications as The New York Times and any number of books.

Still to this day, one of my favorite books that you've written, David, is where you're talking about. Was it Bobo's and Paradise?

Yeah. That book made an impact on me and I can remember to this day how you talked about Donald Trump in that book. We can deal with that later.

We can deal with that later. But so we have David Brooks from The New York Times and Curtis.

And we have Pete Wainer from The Atlantic and also the Ethics and Public Policy Commission center center center.

But Pete and I actually were mentored by the same person, a wonderful man. He's passed away named Steve Hainer. He's the former president of the University Christian Fellowship and he took me under his wing.

Sort of very early in my own ministry career. And I think Pete, I'll let you share, but I think he had a similar relationship with you as well.

Yeah, Steve was very important. He was the student, a pastor of students at University of Washington at University Presbyterian Church and I went to University of Washington and we used to go to something called the Inn, which was held Tuesday nights at 10 o'clock when Steve took it over.

There were 30 people that attended when I went. There were 900 and Steve's sense of balance and integrity were huge. I learned from him in terms of the faith journey, but also became extremely important just in my own life journey as he did probably for you and for countless other people.

So he was very, very special to him. And I think that's actually an important theme for our conversation because the kind of spiritual formation that we went through mentored by Steve is I think part of the solution we're trying to grow towards for what ails evangelical Christianity.

So I think this is a great set of people to talk about this.

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