From the K-P-F-K studios in Southern California,

it's the Ralph Nader Radio Hour.

Stand up, stand up.

You've been sitting great to long. Hello everybody my name is Steve Scrovan along with David Feldman and

Ralph Nader and you are listening to the Ralph Nader radio hour where every week we discuss important, timely and often overlooked issues and sometimes we even talk about supports stuff like that.

But first we have a special

guest as Ralph mentioned in studio so to speak with Ralph and Washington DC

Ralph introduced us to our guest yes David Freeman started out as an engineer in the Tennessee Valley Authority.

In 1960, for example, he helped design a steam plant.

The Tennessee Valley Authority produces a lot of emissions. They burn a lot of coal

for a whole series of electric generating plants in that area of the country.

David became the head of the Tennessee Valley Authority and before that he was an

advisor on energy to President Jimmy Carter.

He advised President Lyndon Johnson. After he left the Tennessee Valley Authority

where he moved it from pure production of electricity

to conservation and opened up the window for renewable energy.

As he told me, the Tennessee Valley Authority was completely renewable up until the 1940s

because it relied on hydropower.

Anyway, he went to California.

He headed the SMUD municipal district in Sacramento,

where he shut down a nuclear plant,

which was inefficient and hazardous, and replaced it with energy conservation and

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