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I think expectations have only grown, but you can't lose like the moments of like yelling and the screaming in the stadium watching George

you know charged to victory or watch sage run 155 like that's still the reason that I do it

and it's not for the money it's not for the actual medals it's for the moments when it happens

and so like that helps me, like, keep the expectation game at bay and not think about what I could have done different with other people.

It's like you just got to, you got to enjoy being like the reward at the end like that.

And it's really like you you build a special special

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