Hey everyone this is Jonathan K Part this week my guest is Darren Walker

now as the president of the Ford Foundation which has a 12 billion dollar endowment in global reach, he's the most powerful

non-politico ever to appear on Cape Up.

Okay, I know, this is only the third episode.

Listen, we talk about how his being African-American, openly gay, and raised poor

inform his work in the Rarified Air of Philanthropy.

I didn't have to study the context of a low-income rural community to know about poverty. I

live that experience. And that got us into inequality, privilege, Black Lives

Matter, and dancing. Here for yourself right now.

Hi I'm Jonathan Kapart, welcome to K-Pup. So you know, you say the name Darren Walker

anywhere in New York City or in the world of philanthropy and you're guaranteed to get one of two reactions, big smiles or expressions of awe, if not both. Darren's reputation for hard work, bridge building, and empathy are among the many reasons his elevation three years ago to president of the

Ford Foundation was greeted with universal applause.

This year Time magazine named him one of its 100 most influential people in the world, but for nearly 20 years,

Darren has been one of the most influential people in my world, and I'm so proud of this man.

I can't stand it.

Thanks for coming in. Thank you, Jonathan. I'm so happy to be here. The

inaugural season of Cape Up. Wow! Can you stand it? I can't stand it. I'm so proud of you.

So one of the things I've long admired about

you is that you are unapologetically you. You're black and openly gay in a world

where both are rare.

And play off that.

Well, I would only say that I've always been black and openly gay,

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