Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Coppelman. Thanks for listening. Today's guest is Dante Ross.

If you don't know his name, he is just written in a great book called Sun of the City,

which on one level is a great thing to read if you're interested in

how the music business sort of came from being a gunslinger's business into sort of what it then

became quite like the period of time, the last moments in time when it was a business where an

individual with hustle could kind of rise to very near the top of it through his agumption

and smarts and ability to connect with people. But on the other hand, it is the story of somebody

coming from very difficult circumstances who figures out who he is, what his gifts are,

how to share those gifts and how to help other people share theirs. And if I had never met

Dante Ross, I would love this book and it would be an incredibly moving book. But there's

something about the people you were tight with in your early 20s when you went through when you

went through shit with that you stay even if that person has not been in your life on a regular

basis. And your books all about this too, you are still connected in a deep way. And Dante and I

were very close in our early 20s. And we had offices right next to each other for about a year

and a half. I think they put the young goofy guys in one section. They were like, yeah, they did.

They did. And and reading your book, man, it was there were moments in it I found so deeply

so deeply moving. It brought me right back to who we were then to what the people around us

were like then. Your way of this, even though some of the dates are a little jumbled, but

like who we were then and looking at these adults around us. And the way we perceive them,

you describe those people, what they were like, what they cared about and how they express

themselves. I mean, you described it with this incredible writer's eye. And there's a thing about

you, man, it's weird. Like you always understood it seemed to me from a very young age. And the book

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