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Obviously, much of the discussion coming out over the past week has focused on the trial in New York City of Daniel Penny related to the incident involving

Jordan Neely, where you saw the entire city really clash over the outcome of that situation.

There were so many different elements at play. I wanted to talk today to someone who could

tell us about so many of them in from a

perspective that has been following this case from the beginning. So I'm happy to be joined by

Raphael Manguel. He is the Nick O'Neill fellow at the Manhattan Institute. He has a great

piece at City Journal today, the day that we're recording, which I recommend to you on this case and why it never should have been brought in the first place.

Thanks so much for taking the time to join me today. Could you tell us a little bit about your immediate reaction to the not guilty verdict that had everyone glued to what was happening in the streets of New York.

Yeah, I mean, I think my immediate reaction was a kind of subdued sense of relief.

I was obviously relieved for Daniel Penny, who I don't think really should have been in the

position that he was in the first place.

And the reason I say it's subdued is because even

though we ultimately saw justice, I think the fact that Daniel Penny was brought to trial,

the fact that it took the jury a full week to acquit him still communicates to other New Yorkers

that there is, in fact, a very real danger involved in stepping up to protect your fellow citizens in situations that might call for it.

And so one of the things that I've always been uncomfortable with with respect to this particular prosecution is that it sends a message particularly to capable men in

the city that their sort of chivalristic instinct is no longer welcome and in fact might get them

in trouble if the city decides through a post hoc analysis that it doesn't like how it is

that you handled the situation that you didn't ask to be in by the way way. So, yeah, I guess a sort of subdued sense of relief would be the answer.

The case obviously played out with the attention of so many different people, including people who were in the courtroom every day.

So many of the people who I follow naturally, including people at Fox and then outside,

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