I'm Emily Campaniel, and this is the Fox True Crime podcast.

From the thousands of love letters sent to Ted Bundy on death row to romanticizing the Menendez brothers,

society has watched in confusion as some of the world's most

dangerous men become unconventional heartthrobs. What is it that drives a woman to seek a

soulmate behind a glass partition? Is it a biological urge to tame a predator, a psychological

savior complex, or the perceived safety of a relationship where the partner is literally locked away?

Joining me today to help us understand the complex layers of hybrostafilia and the dark side of attraction is Dr.

Janie Lacey, a renowned trauma psychotherapist.

Doctor, for those who may not know, myself included, what is hybrustophilia and are

there any common signs that can help identify if someone has such? Well, it's basically being

attracted to the edge is what we call it in the most basic way so you know we think about signs right we

normally looking at them from the extremes we normally see someone who's

probably more when we look at television or we look at storylines we can think

about those that are from the passive side to those that are very aggressive and

if we're looking at those that are on the passive side those are the ones that they want their minds to live in a fantasy. They want to put themselves

in a fantasy. And that doesn't necessarily mean that they want to be part of certain parts

that bring them into that, to that fantasy. Like, for example, she may be the woman who writes the letters to the person that's in

prison or she shows up to the courtroom she may dye her hair to match the victims you know

things of that nature but she maybe even be the person who would marry somebody who's behind

bars so that would be what we look at

on the passive side. And then we look at those on the aggressive side. I always tell people

to think of it like the Bonnie and the Clyde, right? This is the woman who does not admire

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