Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

Each episode will feature a new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast. guest. Today it's really great to have my buddy Daniel Werner on the show. Daniel was co-instruct

of NYU's The Science of Happiness course and co-author of the new book You Thrive

how to succeed in college and life. Daniel it's really exciting to chat with you today.

Oh, man, it's great to be here.

Thank you so much for having me.

We have so much that we can talk about.

Man, I want to start by kind of talking about your prior career, you know, now you teach this really

popular course at NYU, you go around the world giving these great talks you inspire people you help people but you

were actually a talent agent for a while in the music classical music industry is

that right I was I was music was really my life for the first 30 years of it my parents are both professional musicians my father was in the Pittsburgh Symphony and my mother was an opera singer as I believe you may know

I knew your mother another very inspiration I know where you get the

inspirational aspect of yourself. That's right I mean for everyone out there Scott

my mom was ahead of the voice Department of Carnegie Mellon when Scott arrived.

So they formed a great bond before Scott and I got a chance to meet.

But yeah, right out of college, I went into music business. I was fascinated by not only music, but really musicians. And I was fascinated by those

musicians who were realizing real excellence on stage, who were pursuing those things about

which they were passionate,

who were communicating with the world through that medium.

And so I spent almost, no, I spent 10 full years

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