Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are. And welcome to the politics guys with your host, Jay Carson and Michael Baranowski.

Welcome to the politics guys. I'm Michael Baranowski, a political scientist at Northern Kentucky University.

My co-host this week, as always, is Cleveland Area Attorney and sometime Republican strategist, Jay Carson.

Today I'm very excited to have on this show someone I've admired for years.

Dan Carlin, a professional journalist and broadcaster who has been podcasting for more than a

decade and has two of the most popular podcasts in the world, common sense and hardcore history.

If I could only recommend one podcast to someone, I'd recommend hardcore history hands down,

especially the monumental six-episode Death Throws of the Republic, which just

blew my mind. Dan Carlin, welcome to the politics guys. Thank you for having me.

Now, I'm really glad to be talking to you today, and not just because I'm a long-time,

hardcore history fan, but because I think that all too often when

we talk about political issues, we do it in this sort of a historical way, which at least I think

really impoverishes our understanding of events. Would you agree with that? When you say

a historical way, what do you mean? In the sense that we don't seem to have any

good sense of what happened more than a few years back, I suppose. I think I think that's totally

justified. I think that it's a context question that's difficult. And I think that part of the reason,

and I think you see it more and more, although

politicians have always been able to use this tactic, the reason you see politicians more and

say things that they know the minority of people who are up on current events know is not true

is because they can get away with it because so many of the electorate doesn't know it's true.

And that's

partially because, you know, let's be honest, we have a lot of 18-year-olds, 20-year-olds,

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