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🗓️ 25 June 2025
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Day 1,218.
Today, we look at the second day of the NATO summit in The Hague, including Mark Rutte’s leaked message to President Donald Trump, and President Zelensky’s upcoming meeting with the US president. We also hear about why young women are choosing to leave Ukraine “in droves” to study abroad, and what that means for the future of Ukraine. And finally we discuss a documentary series about Ukrainian veterans.
Contributors:
Adélie Pojzman-Pontay (Journalist and Producer). @adeliepjz on X.
Dominic Nicholls (Associate Editor of Defence). @DomNicholls on X.
Garbiella Jozwiak. (Freelance Reporter).
With thanks to Alexandra Kutas.
Content Referenced:
Telegraph Live Blog on NATO Summit:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/25/nato-summit-trump-ukraine-war-zelensky-starmer/
Nato softens stance on Russia (The Telegraph):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/25/leaked-statement-nato-softens-on-russia/
Ukraine has a problem no one is talking about – young women are leaving in droves (Gabriella in The Telegraph):
Reimagined Ukraine, by Alexandra Kutas:
Serhii: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9nvSCf5_lw&t=184s
Oleksandr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=t4gqEds6o9laQvct&v=DC_9mSV5wDs&feature=youtu.be
Vyacheslav: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMdrFk8xcX8
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| 0:00.0 | The Telegraph. |
| 0:09.1 | What might happen if Russia attacked the UK? |
| 0:13.2 | This is clearly an enormous show of force. |
| 0:15.1 | It is definitely out of the ordinary. |
| 0:17.3 | We ran a war game with former ministers back in the hot seat. |
| 0:21.3 | Van Wallace. |
| 0:22.0 | Amber Rudd. |
| 0:22.7 | Jack Straw. |
| 0:23.5 | It's the kind of war game that's genuinely tested inside government. |
| 0:27.6 | The Russians are signalling that there may be an attack. |
| 0:30.5 | Russia knows our weaknesses, but do you? |
| 0:33.1 | I'm Deborah Haynes from Sky News and Tortus. |
| 0:35.8 | This is the war game. |
| 0:37.1 | Listen, wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:42.0 | I'm Adelae Poshman-Ponthe, and this is Ukraine, the latest. Today, we look at the second |
| 0:48.2 | day of the NATO summit in the Hague, including Mark Routers' leaked message to President Trump |
| 0:53.1 | and Zelensky's upcoming meeting with the US president. |
| 0:56.4 | We also hear about why young women are choosing to leave Ukraine in droves to study abroad |
| 1:01.8 | and what that means for the future of the country. |
| 1:04.4 | And finally, we talk about a documentary series about Ukrainian veterans. |
| 1:09.1 | Bravery takes you through the most unimaginable hardships to finally reward you with victory. |
| 1:17.6 | The Russia does not want peace. |
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