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It's me, James, and before we listen to this episode today,

I just did want to make you aware that I conducted these interviews in French and Spanish,

mostly Spanish, and then transcribed and translated them.

So what you're hearing is a translated interview that's been edited for brevity and content. I hope you'll enjoy the episode. Yeah, the journey is dangerous, but what can we do?

We can't stay in a country where the economy is getting worse and worse.

With a salary of $3 a month, you can't survive.

Like my friend said, if you have a job in other countries, maybe you can invest some money,

but where are you going to get the money

to invest if before you had a salary that fed you, paid for your car, your house, and your children

to enjoy it all with, and now you can't even afford to put gas in the car. So it's true, yeah,

the Darien is dangerous, but nothing is impossible. We walk hand in hand with God and with the faith that we will get there,

but that doesn't mean it isn't difficult.

But I'll say it again, it's not impossible.

You suffer, you cry, you go hungry, cold, but thank God we made it through. thrilled. All around the Tockeza River, the jungle rumbles quietly as you pass by on your boat.

Insects, frogs and birds all combine to make a sort of deep throbbing that emanates from the darkness between the trees. It seems it wants to be calling

you in and wanting you to stay away. I've been in the jungle before, in the Rwanda Congo borderlands,

and in Venezuela. But I've never really felt the sense of foreboding I did as we rode down the river

protected only by our hollow log, looking into the triple canopy forest, and knowing that if I walk

long enough in the shadows, I'd be confronted with the remains of people I might have interviewed

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