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It Could Happen Here

CZM Rewind: We Are All Brothers: How the Emberá Community of Bajo Chiquito Welcomes Migrants in the Darién Gap

It Could Happen Here

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Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics

4.06.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 December 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

In the second part of his series on the Darién Gap, James looks at the impacts of migration on the indigenous Panamanian Emberá community.

Original Air Date: 10.29.24

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:06.1

Hi, everyone.

0:08.4

It's me, James.

0:09.4

And before we listen to this episode today,

0:10.9

I just did want to make you aware

0:12.2

that I conducted these interviews in French and Spanish,

0:15.2

mostly Spanish,

0:16.4

and then transcribed and translated them.

0:18.8

So what you're hearing is a translated interview

0:20.6

that's been edited for brevity and content. So what you're hearing is a translated interview that's

0:21.2

been edited for brevity and content. I hope you enjoy the episode. Every day for the past two

0:31.1

years, the population of Bajo Chiquito has more than tripled. At six in the morning,

0:36.4

Piraigua's come other Embara villages along the

0:38.7

river, dozens of them, all filled with orange life jackets. Migrants form a line so long that it

0:45.5

stretches from the beach north of town all the way through the village and out the other side,

0:50.5

and in groups of 15, they hand over their $25 each and get onto the Piraigas.

0:56.6

Each one puts on their bright orange life jacket, sits with their legs around the person in front,

1:02.3

and they take off for the first official migrant reception centre in Las Blancas.

1:07.1

As the last boat leaves, those who can't afford the trip begin a walk which could take eight hours.

1:13.1

I couldn't walk with them, but I handed the group my water filter and one of those overpriced energy

1:16.9

bars that are basically trail mix in a rectangular format and wish them the best of luck.

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