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H.B.R. presents. Hi there I'm Nazimazar, the creator and host of the Exponential View podcast and the newsletter of the same name.

Every week I come together with a leading thinker to try to decipher how our world is changing under the force of technology.

This week I'm talking to Nicole Egan, the CEO of Dark Trace,

it's one of the world's leading cybersecurity companies.

She's on the front line dealing with the fast moving and complex

domain of cyber threats.

It's a topic I've covered in

several earlier podcasts she's also a believer that the only way to tackle this

growing threat is to implement more autonomous defensive cybersecurity

approaches.

Nicole welcome to the Exponential View podcast.

Thank you so much.

Now, we are recording on a rainy Monday in London.

You're in Florida.

It's a couple of days after the state of Louisiana has

declared a state of emergency following a widespread cyber attack on some of the government servers. Is this our new normal?

This is actually the second time that Louisa Anna has actually invoked this.

So I think in a way it is becoming the new normal. I think what's so interesting is that usually the state of emergency was

Constituted you know for things such as fires and and floods and storms

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