My guest today, James Andrew Miller writes incredible histories of some of the biggest names in culture. James has written best-selling books on the founding and history of Saturday

8 Live, E-SPN, and Hollywood's biggest talent agency CAA. In all of these

stories, James goes deep, explaining how these things began, how they became so

insanely successful, and how some of them almost didn't make it.

Now he's turned his attention to Larry David, the brains behind Seinfeld, who also happens to be the awkward creator and star of Curbed Un and then turn their stories into hilarious and fascinating

podcast which is called origins. I'm excited to welcome James to

Inside the Hive today to tell us some of the classic Larry David stories he heard along the way and to share his thoughts on the future of ESPN and Saturday Night Live.

So thank you so much for joining us on the show today.

Let's just dive right in. You have a new

podcast called Origins and the first season of this podcast is looking at the origin of curb your enthusiasm and one of the people

that you get the opportunity to talk to is Larry David.

And so I bump into celebrities all the time and I'm more than happy to go and say

hi to them, I'm not intimidated by them in any way, shape, or form, but Larry David seems

terrifying. I feel like if I ever go up to him I'm going to end up as a

character on his show or something like that. What is he like in person?

Well I mean look I think I'm the first time I met him was maybe 15 years ago, but I think that one of the things that comes through in the podcast when other cast members talk about him is that the Larry that we see on camera particularly in

curbs your enthusiasm and the Larry that exists in real life you know sometimes

has very different identities because the truth is he can be warm engaging

funny and he's a he's a very loyal friend.

So I think that he may, you're right to probably be a little skeptical of what you might get in return.

But at the same time, you know, I mean he is a practicing adult. He's not this, you know,

you know, really, really odd guy that, you know, is capable of anything. Well, so tell us a couple of, could you have a couple of

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