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The Next Big Idea

CRYPTO: Is It Quietly Transforming the Global Economy?

The Next Big Idea

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Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

As the co-founder and CEO of Circle — the fintech powerhouse that issues USDC, a popular cryptocurrency pegged to the US dollar — Jeremy Allaire has had a front-row seat to the crypto revolution. Circle now commands a market cap of over $20 billion, yet Jeremy insists it is still an "early stage company." Why? Because the true transformation of the global economy, he says, is just beginning. In this episode, Jeremy and Rufus discuss how the economic system is becoming “internet native," what happens when money becomes programmable, and why blockchain is the "major missing layer" of the internet. Sponsored By: Shopify - Start your $1/month trial at shopify.com/nbi — 🎁 Join the Next Big Idea Club and we'll send you a signed copy of Walter Isaacson's new book, The Greatest Sentence Ever Written. You’ll also get ad-free versions of this show, invitations to member-only Q&As, and the six best books of the year delivered to your door. Sign up at nextbigideaclub.com and use code PODCAST for 20% off. 🎥 Watch video episodes on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@NextBigIdeaClub Want to connect? 🔗 Follow Rufus on ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ 📖 Subscribe to our daily newsletter, ⁠⁠Book of the Day⁠⁠ ✉️ Send us an email: ⁠podcast@nextbigideaclub.com⁠

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0:00.0

I'm Rufus Griscom and I'm Caleb Bissinger.

0:02.7

And this is the next big idea.

0:05.4

Today, the crypto revolution is quietly happening.

0:09.9

Is it actually, Rufus?

0:11.4

Yeah, I think it is. Rufus, if you pulled 50 people on the street, do you think they'd actually agree with that assertion you just made?

0:34.4

You know, I'm not sure that they would. That's a great point. And it's a classic Gartner

0:38.8

hype cycle case study. You have a new technology that is at first overhyped. Then when it doesn't

0:45.4

deliver on its promise, it goes through what's called the trough of disillusionment. Right. So I think

0:50.8

we saw this most clearly with driverless cars. In 2016, Elon Musk said,

0:56.5

I think we're less than two years away from complete autonomy. And yet here we are 10 years later,

1:02.6

and we're still waiting. Exactly. And the trough of disillusionment in the case of driverless

1:07.5

technology was brutal. Apple spent a decade and $10 billion trying to develop a self-driving car.

1:14.6

They abruptly canceled the project.

1:16.7

Uber and Lyft sold off their self-driving divisions because they were too expensive.

1:21.0

They weren't seeing the return.

1:22.4

The last 1% of driverless capability has turned out to be harder than the first 99%.

1:28.3

But it's actually beginning to happen now.

1:31.3

So Waymo is approaching half a million driverless rides a week in San Francisco, L.A. and Phoenix alone.

1:39.3

Yep, and Tesla has about 30 fully driverless robo taxis picking up passengers in Austin. It's a small number,

1:45.9

but we're beginning to see a truly viable driverless car technology servicing. This is the

1:52.6

phase that's called the Slope of Enlightenment in the Gartner hype cycle. And this is actually

1:58.9

a really interesting place to be if you're an entrepreneur or an

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