Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show of a very special guest returning guest

Nick of the cult rejects. We were just kind of looking back back to our first show, maybe four years ago. We've done so many shows now

It's hard to keep track of all the shows that we've done, but we've done some he sat with me on a number of shows

we just did one about untermeyer he sat in may with rocker mike pilgrim society

chapply assassination number none a lot of smiley face killers and updates we did you sat with

roberta glass of the true crime report we did did Larry Ray or the Sarah Lawrence sex cult trial.

A lot of true crime too together.

A lot of true crime.

Donald Camel we did, Kinsey, Sean.

Yeah, I feel like Moscow.

A lot of true crime.

But he reached out to me.

We're going to cover something that I'm interested in

as somebody who people have called me an Alistair Crowley expert, which I think is close to the

truth. But there's some concepts in like Crowley's magical outlook, things that I didn't really

understand phrases and crossing the abyss. These are crucial elements kind of in magic, it is magical practice.

And I think it is generally for people who are into the occult. So as an occultist or an occult reject, Nick knows more about that.

But he's been talking about it. I tried to listen to some stuff. So, you know, if you're from a Christian background, this might not,

might not be the... It might be very weird. Yeah, it might be odd to you. But it's one of the

reasons why I reached out to him in the first place, William and Lux, was I didn't really,

I mean, I was kind of an interest in the cult, but not as a practitioner. So I was kind of like

outside looking in

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