Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have two very special guests. They come to us from Germany, Deutschland,

and then names is Christian Hardinghouse, and Annette Nanner, last name of Christian is H-A-R-D-I-N-G, H-A-U-S, and Annette's is N-E-N-N-N-E-R. And they just published a book, April 1st, a very important date,

according to the case we're going to talk about.

But April 1st, 2024, and if you're watching this on X, Rumble, or Rockfin,

you will see the title of the book, Still Lost in Panama,

The Real Tragedy on Pianista Trail.

And it's about this case that happened 10 years to the day from when these two women from Europe went missing in Panama.

And their full names are Chris Creamers and Lizanne Froon.

And it seems to have been a big case in Europe.

I think people know of it in true crime here,

just because of the knowledge of the true crime genre,

this kind of strange disappearance.

There were facts of the case.

They found their cell phone with strange pictures on it,

and it's never really been resolved.

There's been a podcast called lost in

Panama and reading through still lost in Panama I found out that there were

two million downloads for that podcast are very well received with possible

movie deals and film adaptation or whatever but also in in 2021, I interviewed two authors, West and Snorrin were their names.

They wrote a book, Lost in the Jungle, The Mysterious Disappearance of Two Dutch Girls in the Panamanian Jungle.

And I tried to track up down that book. It's not on Amazon anymore, but I came

across this book. I was interested right away when I saw it, and I'm delighted to have Christian

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