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I'm Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.

I'm Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.

Welcome to another Hard Knox. We're going to muse today. What are we musing today about, Chris?

We're musing about trauma bonds, you know?

Yes.

The most complicated of all close relationships.

Right.

And how did this come up?

Well, someone wrote into the website asking about your relationship with Raphaelie.

And I believe that difficult moment of potentially separating your defenses back in the day.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that I don't think there was ever, I was never aware.

So maybe you're referring to to maybe this person was watching the

twisted tale of Amanda Knox and was coming away with questions about that like what what was going on

there yeah so um uh I was never aware that anyone was trying to separate our defenses.

That was something that I learned later on after we had been, you know, released from prison and everything.

I had no idea the conversations that were happening behind the scenes with Raphael, and the kind of pressure that he was under.

So for me in the moment, so I think that that's an interesting thing where, like, what was communicated to me was that

Raphael and I should limit how much we even communicate

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