literally Monday I said yes to my first job as a full-time writer and to be able to build that

confidence that trusted myself and to just have give myself that accountability and like truly

tools and actual steps that to me has been really special about the process too so for anybody

who like wants tools and not just a supportive community, but also, like, tools.

Because Katie, like, your work, too, is like you've, you talk to creative people all

time and you're a creative person yourself.

So you've become this wealth of knowledge about creativity over the course of your career.

So I think that I always want people to understand that, like, what is in Katie's podcast

and what's in Katie's brain through these many,

many, many years and many, many interviews that you've done. Like that's in process.

Let it out. Let it out.

Hi, welcome to Let It Out. I'm Katie.

What you're about to hear is not a usual episode.

Instead of an interview, it's a conversation, well, they're always

conversations, but this in particular is two of my friends, Maggie and Brian, they introduced

themselves and explain how we met at the beginning of this. You'll hear us talk about focus and

creativity, and it centers around a discussion about a group

workshop that I led in 2020 called Creative Underdogs. It was October of that year if you want to

orient yourself to that time in your brain. And they were both part of that group and all the subsequent rounds that I did

after that and in this we talk about what happened to them as a result of that and what's happened to

them since and why I stopped doing it so abruptly and I get into this sort of focus group conversation with them about the new ideas I have and

what I want to do next. I love listening to people I like or I seem like I would get along with just talking.

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