Hey there, it's Jessica Honegger, founder of the socially conscious fashion brand,

New Day Collection.

And this is the Going Scared Podcast, where we cover all things impact, entrepreneurship, and courage.

Before we dive in, I wanted to let you know that I recorded the audio version of my new book

Imperfect Courage. You heard that right. So head on over to Audible, you probably have a

free credit that you didn't even know about, and let me know how well

I managed to both talk and cry at the same time. Also, my dear, wonderful, loyal, going-scared podcast listeners.

Somehow, none of you let me know that I don't pronounce the plural of women correctly. But guys I think I've been fixed because I

had to record an entire audio version of my book all about female empowerment where the voice director had to have me repeat

Jessica it's not woman it's women go let me know if I am cured.

Okay, on to today's episode.

We are not messing around.

This is a conversation with psychiatrist, author, teacher, and a mentor of mine, Dr. Kurt Thompson.

His book's anatomy of the soul and the soul of shame how literally shaped me over the last few years.

I got to know him at a leadership retreat. I attended a couple of years back. I actually

write about that story in my book. More recently I flew him down to lead a small

leadership retreat of about eight other women here in Texas a few months ago and if you were popping in for the first time I just wanted to let you know

we're in the middle of a podcast series that's walking us through my book in perfect courage

so if you don't have it yet go grab it you. You're going to get a lot more out of this

podcast series. Today we are talking through chapter six, which is called Create

Compassionate Spaces. Kurt founded a counseling center called The Center of Being Known. That's right. So I couldn't

think of another person that I would rather have on the show to teach us how to create compassionate

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