Kevin DeYoung says a lot of parents are tempted by this line of reasoning.

My kids are so incredibly fragile that if I don't get everything right, I will ruin them.

And conversely, my kids are so eminently moldable that if I just push the right buttons,

voila, I will have godly Christian successful

boys and girls, men and women.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast for Wednesday, November 16th, 2016.

Well, we've been talking on the past couple of broadcasts of Revive Our Hearts with Pastor Kevin DeYoung from the University of Reform Church in East Lansing, Michigan.

He's an author, he's a blogger, he's a conference speaker. In short, East Lansing, Michigan. He's an author.

He's a blogger.

He's a conference speaker.

In short, he is crazy busy.

And he's written a little book to help the rest of us with some of his journey on dealing with this crazy, busy stuff.

And Kevin's been our guest, the last couple of programs.

Kevin, thank you so much. I've been

encouraged and helped by what I've read in your book and what you've been showing with us.

So thanks for being back with us today. Happy to. And this time we have, we're graced to have

joining us in the studio, your wife, Trisha. Trisha, welcome to Revive Our Hearts. Thank you. Thanks so

much for having me.

You know, when I first contacted Kevin's office and said, is there any way you as a crazy, busy person could say yes to being on Revive Our Hearts?

And he said, well, we'll talk about it.

I said, and could I also ask if your wife might consider coming?

Because I know that a lot of our listeners, as they listen to a guy like

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