CRAIG BALLANTYNE | The Dark Side of Discipline
Order of Man
Ryan Michler
4.8 • 9K Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Every single man listening to this is familiar with discipline and has applied it (to varying degrees) in his life. We generally think of discipline as an overall good thing (and, I think it is) but it can often lead to bouts of frustration and unnecessary suffering if utilized incorrectly.
My guest today, Craig Ballantyne, makes the case that discipline, although, a powerful force for productivity comes with strings attached, and isn’t the end-all, save-all it’s often made out to be. Today, we talk about what true discipline is not, why chasing the wrong target is so common and what to do about it, what I call the “self-help hangover” and how to avoid it, why you should know the distinction between standards and expectations, and how to avoid what Craig calls, “The Doom Loop” in your life.
SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 - Introduction and Defining Discipline
00:42 - Level 10 Effort and Level 10 Problems
01:48 - Identifying Your Level 10 Problem
04:21 - The Importance of Focus and Self-Reflection
06:32 - Calibration and Goal Setting
07:54 - Facing Difficult Conversations
10:44 - The Hero’s Journey and Overcoming Fears
13:13 - Personal Growth Through Challenges
15:49 - Suffering vs. Sacrifice
18:54 - Reframing Sacrifice for Joy
21:21 - Choices and Personal Responsibility
23:44 - Inspiring Stories of Resilience
25:35 - Motivation and Maximizing Potential
27:54 - Breaking the Doom Loop
30:27 - Effortless Discipline Systems
33:46 - The Power of Systems Over Willpower
37:09 - Accountability as a Life Hack
40:31 - Raising Standards for Success
43:55 - Standards vs. Expectations
46:12 - Controlling Thoughts, Words, and Deeds
48:27 - Identity and Core Values
50:35 - Creating a Vision for Your Future
52:45 - Where to Connect and Learn More
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| 0:00.0 | Every single man listening to this podcast is familiar with discipline and has applied it in his life to varying degrees. |
| 0:07.4 | We generally think of discipline as an overall good thing, and I think it is, but it can often lead to bouts of frustration and unnecessary suffering if utilized incorrectly. |
| 0:18.6 | My guest today, Craig Ballantyne, makes the case that discipline, |
| 0:22.2 | although a powerful force for productivity, does come with strings attached and isn't the end-all |
| 0:28.2 | save-all. It's often made out to be. Today we talk about what true discipline is not, |
| 0:34.0 | why chasing the wrong target is so common among men and what to do about it. |
| 0:38.3 | What I call the self-help hangover and how to avoid it, |
| 0:41.3 | why you should know the distinction between standards and expectations |
| 0:45.3 | and how to avoid what Craig calls the doom loop in your life. |
| 0:49.3 | You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. |
| 0:52.3 | Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. |
| 0:56.0 | When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. |
| 1:00.0 | You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. |
| 1:05.0 | This is your life. This is who you are. |
| 1:08.0 | This is who you will become. |
| 1:09.0 | At the end of the day. |
| 1:10.9 | And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man. |
| 1:16.9 | Men, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. |
| 1:18.7 | I am Ryan Mickler. |
| 1:19.9 | And if you're not familiar with what we're doing here, it's my job each and every week |
| 1:23.9 | to bring you some of the most incredibly successful men in their own right entrepreneurs |
| 1:28.6 | athletes scholars fathers business owners new york times bestselling authors um you name it warriors |
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