I'm Jay Nordlinger at CPAC for National Review and Ricochet.

We have as our guest the fabulous Colonel Alan West, former congressman, current world beater.

Nice to see you.

Jay, you're too kind.

It's good to be back with you.

Remind me the name of that sterling organization that you now head.

National Center for Policy Analysis is a 31 year old conservative free market think tank.

Roth IRA's health Savings accounts were born at

NCPA which is headquarters down in Dallas Texas. Well we could talk to

Alan West about just about anything foreign and domestic. I'd like to begin by to

I'd like to begin by asking him how to beat ISIS.

Well is there are multiple fronts that you have to engage in and anyone will tell you there are four elements to a nation's power it's called the dime theory.

The first one the the deed diplomatic what we have to be able to do is cut ISIS off from its state sponsorship.

There are, you know, countries out there such as Saudi Arabia's, the cutters, the turkeys,

that are providing support to ISIS and we have to be able to put the diplomatic pressure on so that ISIS can be isolated.

Because obviously people are flying into Turkey and transiting across that border to get into Syria.

And there are others that are engaged there.

The other thing is the eye is for information.

If you're going to defeat ISIS ideology, first of all you've got to admit what the ideology ideology is but you have to have a dedicated

information operation to delegitimize that ideology and we're not doing that.

This militant Islamic totalitarianism, jihadism, terrorism, we have to define it.

Sun Suu even said that in the art of war.

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